Anyone fancie some Mixdown feedback please :)

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    • #74694
      ,Greeno
      Participant

      Could really do with a second set of ears on this one please.

      Mix down wise. πŸ™‚

      Preview

      https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

    • #74747
      ,Adam
      Participant

      i think u should cut some bass from snare in the intro

    • #74806
      ,shrike
      Participant

      Nice music. Mix could use some polish.

      (caveat: these are *my* methods, but certainly not the *only* methods)

      The overall idea here is I’d love to hear more loudness & presence throughout. It’s not especially “dense”, and while you may be able to fix some of it on the master, I would personally go back and add saturation & eq to strategic points to help make some of it come alive.

      I’d start with the lowest sub fundamental. Turn that guy up so that it hits 0dbfs at its peak, and make sure it is consistent against 0db. This is where compression comes in, if you need to squash it a bit to pull out some of the dynamics, then makeup gain to bring the leveled signal back up. It’s drum and bass after all, and the sub should be strong and present. It’s left to your artistic sensibilities as to how much of the dynamics you squeeze out, but for presence’s sake I think there is a lot of room to go here.

      Now that you have that as your reference, mix in your kick and your snare. Mute everything else while gain staging these, there is time later to re-balance against other elements, but if the sub/kick/snare trinity doesn’t work, the tune just won’t hold. If you need to look at numbers, I generally aim for -3 on kick fundamental and -6 on snare fundamental, but honestly use your ears, as the analyzer is just a guide, and your artistic sense again comes into play here.

      Now work in the rest. The third bass harmonic is important to get right, as this is your headphone/phone speaker/fullness frequency. If looking at the analyzer, I kind of aim for a ratio of 1:3:2 between the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd harmonics, so that the sub is full, the next harmonic drops off sharply (to reduce competition of moving that subwoofer cone) and then back up on the third, where midrange speakers will start to pick up.

      Now take a good hard listen to your top end. Compare with other tunes. Your snare could use more top end white-noise, and the hats, while smooth, are really clamped down, freq wise. Again, looking at the analyzer, try and make a level yet gentle slope from 1k+. I like to make mine slope to about -33dbfs avg, with a sharp dropoff around 15k or so, as these freqs are really useless, but do consume sonic energy.

      I guess this turned into a mini mix lesson, but those are the steps I go through to get a basic sound, then tweak tweak tweak, making sure to do no harm.

      Also, if you’ve not watched this video, I would strongly recommend you do so:

      Saturation, using judiciously along the way, is the key to real density. To use a dumb sandwich analogy: it doesn’t matter how tall your bread is (peaks), what matters is the meat inside (RMS).

      Post revisions when you have them. Keep at it!

      _-| get to work |-_

      • #74817
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        Wicked thank you so much for all of this advice !

        I am getting straight on this today !!

        Literally can’t thank you enough for that write up.

        Big ups!

        Will post update here πŸ™‚

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

      • #75036
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        So I took your advice and did the best I could at this time.

        Time to start a new track now and give this one a break for a couple of weeks, then give it a fresh mix down.

        Here’s the result of your knowledge.

        Big ups and thanks for the feedback, I have saved your comment for later use

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

      • #75037
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        Update πŸ™‚

        Mix down feedback still appreciated πŸ™‚

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

      • #75049
        ,shrike
        Participant

        I feel like it’s a night & day difference, but I don’t have the old one to refer back to.

        Do you feel like it’s better? I certainly do…

        _-| get to work |-_

      • #75061
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        Here is the old one on a private link πŸ™‚

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

      • #75067
        ,shrike
        Participant

        Oh HELL YEAH

        It’s like 200% better, maybe even more. Those intro bass sounds now have some 8serious8 fucking balls on them. It actually changes the dynamic of the music for me, this new one vs the old. Well done.

        If I had a druther, it would be that the super nice intro distorted bass stabs retain the strength that they have in the intro, throughout the tune. It’s probably fine to bury them in verb at the breakdown, but once the drop hits, that’s what I want, personally, those big fat bassy stabs, full force.

        There’s a number of ways you could achieve this, but first I might group everything that isn’t those stabs and just duck the volume via sidechain. If that seems to heavy handed, tweak out from there. But I like those sounds so much, that I think they can stand on there own, whenever present in the main groove.

        Nice work, my friend!

        _-| get to work |-_

      • #75068
        ,shrike
        Participant

        You know what though, what I just commented on is so subjective. It just depends on what direction you want to take things, and I’m listening to it (still) and it seems like maybe you want to keep some liquid in there. If it were me, I’d distort and beef up/tighten that kick, shorten that snare, reduce the verb a bit, and white top the fuck out of it, but that’s just my singular view on it. I kind of want to punch ppl in the nuts a bit in my stuff, but I thoroughly respect the flow of the liquid side.

        _-| get to work |-_

      • #75116
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        I have defiantly taken all of your thoughts into account.

        I am going to leave the tune alone for a week and then come back to it with a fresh mind set. If I feel what you are saying will apply to the way I feel, I will apply to the best of my ability and the post another update .

        Once again thank you for the time and patience with this

        Big ups man

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

      • #75054
        ,Urban_Hostile
        Participant

        I love the new version! Loving the bass in the intro too! Proper gnarly πŸ™‚

      • #75062
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        Wicked man thank you

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

    • #74815
      ,Urban_Hostile
      Participant

      Hi,

      I’m loving the track Greeno, reminds me a lot of Teebee, the bass-line and the chilled but moody vibes really rock! Love it πŸ˜€

      Great explanation of the mixdown process too Strike, thanks for the video as well πŸ™‚

      • #74818
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        Cheers !

        Glad you enjoyed the track πŸ™‚

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

    • #75114
      ,Martialistikz
      Participant

      The comparison between before and after is amazing dude! love the track, big up πŸ˜€

      • #75117
        ,Greeno
        Participant

        Glad you enjoyed the track, a lot of time and effort on this one, going to post another update on a week or two.
        On to the next project for now, deep liquid rollerz, 90s techno influence. A bit different but feeling it at the moment.

        As deep as I can god

        Big up on the listen man

        https://soundcloud.com/kryptagsy

      • #75157
        ,Martialistikz
        Participant

        Sick Idea mate, been also getting my influences from deeper stuff recently. Trying to connect deep trance/techno with deep/dark dnb. Send me a link at some point, would love to take a listen! πŸ™‚

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