Copyright problem with sample?
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2018-07-29 at 23:26:51 #47741,Mind ZeroParticipant
Hello guys, need a bit of information about copyright on samples as I don’t know how to avoid it if I want to use a sample. For example in this track I used the vocals from Jhené Aiko – The Worst, tell me if I would have problems if I want to release this please
2018-07-31 at 16:42:53 #48855,Forgot their nameParticipant
Search the forum there’s a pretty lengthy conversation on this exact subject, featuring a fairly big name artist throwing their two cents on the subject. I’ll summarise, dnb ain’t as big as you think, the reach of your record isn’t gonna be huge even if it is an underground hit. Give it away for free like the cited example in the post with Sigma and a Kanye Bootleg, if you think it’ll end up going to number 1.
I think in your case it’s more the fair use arguement, as long as you’re making an original production and changing the tone/pitch or chopping the vox you should be fine.
2018-07-31 at 17:29:45 #48857,Mind ZeroParticipant
Yeah I know there’s a Foreign Concept video here talking about this topic, but when I searched for it I was asked to pay to see the video. Thanks for the answer, let’s see if I don’t have any issues hahahh.
2018-07-31 at 17:33:37 #48858,Forgot their nameParticipant
Sorry you don’t have to search it’s a pinned post, 2nd down from the top. “Legality of samples” or something.
2018-07-31 at 20:33:44 #48860,shrikeParticipant
If you don’t have her consent, you shouldn’t release it, at least not commercially, regardless of legality. Her voice & lyrics are far too recognizable. If they were lathered in fx as to be a new thing, that would be different.
But no, I don’t think it is ok, unless she is on board.
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2018-08-01 at 12:40:33 #48885,Mind ZeroParticipant
I see what you mean but think about tracks like Ivy Lab- Live on your smile or the piano riff in Solitary Native by Alix Perez & Sabre, they sampled all time classics that everybody knows and nothing happens…
I wish I could have the artist consent hahahh.
2018-08-01 at 16:18:33 #48943,Forgot their nameParticipant
Just to play devil’s advocate, nothing ventured nothing gained! If you don’t take the risk you’ll never know what could come out of it; bad or good. Best cast scenario the artist finds it, likes it and gives consent that way, worst case scenario you get asked to take it down or sc pulls it for copywrite infringement and gives you a strike on your account.
Best best case scenario, a bunch of artists/fans find you through doing an ace interpretation, and appreciates the use of vocals in the track.
Worst worst case a bunch of militant Jhené Aiko fans raid your gigs, steal your airhorn and pepper spray you just as you’re about to mix in that tune.
2018-08-03 at 03:21:01 #49040,REMNNTParticipant
I think there are 2 other options you could try:
1. You could always try and directly ask the artist for permission. Personally, I’m not really familiar with Jhené, or how popular/”famous” she is, but maybe she’s the kind of person who wouldn’t mind being sampled by a producer in another genre. Basically, what I’m getting at is that you never know the artist’s opinion until you ask them directly. She might hear your track and actually like what you’ve done, and grant you permission for use. Might be worth the effort to try and establish contact.
2. You could always change the track title. I know that this isn’t ideal for an artist who is trying to gain recognition for their productions, but you could always rename it as a “bootleg”. You could change the title to something like “Jhené Aiko – The Worst (Mind Zero Bootleg)”. This does two things. For one, you can AT LEAST credit the original artist whose vocal you’re using. For two, it’s a way to include your name in the track title so that people can direct themselves to your respective online/offline/artistic outlets. Including “bootleg” also points to the fact that it’s a remix of sorts, but done unofficially. You would probably also want to release a bootleg as a free thing (as Forgot Their Name suggested), otherwise you and whatever label might choose to release it are running more risk.
I know that maybe this isn’t the advice you want to hear, but if her vocal sample is really going to wind up serving as one of the main hooks or draws of your track, I wouldn’t be releasing it as an original production – unless you’re going to do a lot more to effect the sample. As Forgot Their Name said, you probably wouldn’t get in trouble. But as I think Shrike is alluding to, it’s not really a good practice to get into as an artist. You might see bigger name artists in the D&B scene using well-known samples, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they did it without permission or any sort of protection. Some of these labels are set up with licensing/affiliation that tends to protect them, or even connections that come in handy, and all of this gives them more freedom in what they can release.
I try to think of things in the context of the music we’re all producing. Let’s say I come up with a pretty sick drum break using some sort of software like Addictive Drums or whatever, something that allows me to put more of a “signature” and original/unique character into the final sample. Maybe I’ve got samples of pots & pans I recorded at home in there too, whatever. I’m super proud of the break, then wind up using it in a track where there are snippets of it, alone in the mix. Personally, I’d be somewhat annoyed if an artist from another genre (say hip-hop) simply sampled, re-pitched/re-timed it, and then just chucked it into a track without permission. I’d definitely be pissed to hear another D&B artist do that. It might be a completely different story if I had some sort of contact/request from those artists beforehand though. But when you make something yourself with some uniqueness in it (like a vocal sample of your voice), and you spent time coming up with it, you can definitely tell when you hear it elsewhere – even when it’s changed a tiny bit.
Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. Sorry for the book. Personally, if I wanted to release it for profit, I’d find a way to effect the vocal more, or I just wouldn’t use it (without permission, that is). If I was really itching to put it out there, I’d do what Forgot suggested, and give it away. Believe it or not, giving something away for nothing really can be an investment in your own self-promotion.
*Sidenote: Your tune is good! Even without the context of the vocal. Good luck!*
2018-08-03 at 15:44:25 #49065,Mind ZeroParticipant
Thanks for the answers guys, I really appreaciate it! I think I will give it away as a bootleg, as the vocal was the reason why I started the track and if I effect it more it would lose the vibe I want.
And maybe if the track does good I could think about making another version without the vocal.
2018-08-04 at 16:21:37 #49127,Forgot their nameParticipant
I agree and found it really interesting reading REMNNT’s post. Totally with them on the credit where credit is due. Artistname – Track (Bootleg By Mind Zero) would be the fairest way of doing things.
And don’t mind me and my ignorant words, I thought releasing a track meant putting it on soundcloud. I’ll go back to my hole now.
On a side note if you want to make vox less recognisable but still retain some vibe; I’ve had success with formant shifting on vox sounds, and if you drawout some of the words and automate the formant you can make vocals say other things, and especially in context with a beat with carefully placed highhats, you can fake T’s, make “IT”‘s. The other one I’ve heard is that We Control the Sound vox, jungle sample in a Mouldy Soul track, chopped at the start of Sound, so it now says “We Control this” and has just a little bit of S to make this:
(warning not dnb, it’s glitchy weird house or something)
I’m sure there are other interesting ways to rearrange/resample get her to say different stuff that makes it your own and still retains the vibe.
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